#Mastodon is being more blatant—it will add quote posts.
This will piss some people off but frankly, this has been in the works for years.
To those who believe quote posts are abusive, there is no data whatsoever that shows any correlation between quote posts and abuse.
And actually, platforms like #Misskey, #Akkoma, and #Friendica have had that feature for years, and hardly anyone using those platforms has ever complained.
In fact, I use quote posts every day. No one’s complained to me about my use of quote posts.
Nevertheless, Mastodon is doing the right thing—and it takes serious courage to tell the Fedi Gatekeepers that this will happen. There will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth. But it’s a change that needed to happen.
blog.joinmastodon.org/2025/02/…
Bringing Quote Posts to Mastodon
Sharing our thinking and progress on bringing Quote Posts to Mastodon, with a goal to create a safe and respectful space for everyone.Mastodon Blog
Josh Wood
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in reply to MJ Ray • • •@mjr I saw a study that said specifically there is no correlation. That study was made in 2022. Unfortunately, I can’t find that specific study so I’m not going to cite it.
Whatever the case, though, it’s on people making a claim to prove their claims.
Regarding what you saw on Twitter, that’s easily explainable: Twitter’s algorithm was incentivized to show you outrageous content. It’s unlikely that quotes caused dogpiles – it was more likely due to the feed algorithm.
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in reply to Chris Trottier • • •@mjr Actually, I found a reference to the study:
absolutelymaybe.plos.org/2023/…
Quote Tweeting: Over 30 Studies Dispel Some Myths - Absolutely Maybe
Hilda Bastian (Absolutely Maybe)MJ Ray
in reply to Chris Trottier • • •yes, it’s on people making a claim to prove their claims. Those claiming quote posts are safe should prove it.
I'm pretty sure Twitter quote posts were added way back when we still had chronological feeds and they were a problem pretty much as soon as people realised they didn't count as mentions.
Chris Trottier
in reply to MJ Ray • • •@mjr No one is claiming that quote posts are safe. The claim is that there’s no evidence that they’re more unsafe than other social media features.
Tell me why hashtags are more safe than quote posts. Hashtags, just like quote posts, increase visibility of messages on social media. Yet no one is asking that hashtags be removed as a feature because they’re abusive.
Adam
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From the linked article:
In order to mitigate these issues, we plan to include several features in our implementation:
-You will be able to choose whether your posts can be quoted at all.
-You will be notified when someone quotes you.
-You will be able to withdraw your post from the quoted context at any time.
We also want to build a tight integration for Quote Posts with the reporting functionality, to help people to feel more safe.
@atomicpoet
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in reply to Adam • • •@breakfastmtn @mjr This actually makes quote posts safer than replies.
I would love to lock a thread if I feel they’re attracting abuse. Or even remove comments if they’re toxic. However, Mastodon doesn’t allow this right now.
I’ve requested comment controls for years, and I have no update on whether they plan to do anything about implementing that.
Chris Trottier
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“To those who believe quote posts are abusive, there is no data whatsoever that shows any correlation between quote posts and abuse. “
there is no conclusive data; that’s not the same as saying there is no data whatsoever….
Chris Trottier
in reply to Ulrike Hahn • • •@UlrikeHahn @tchambers What you’re quoting implies that culture has a bigger effect on incivility. Which seems pretty common sense to me.
Practically speaking, though, what’s your actual stance on quote posts?
Ulrike Hahn
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There's been a lot of study on this, and QTs just do not contribute significantly to harassment and abuse. But even if they did, the affordances here are different. Followers-only replies are a *much* larger concern than quote posts.
absolutelymaybe.plos.org/2023/…
Quote Tweeting: Over 30 Studies Dispel Some Myths - Absolutely Maybe
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Chris Trottier
in reply to Jenniferplusplus • • •@jenniferplusplus @UlrikeHahn @tchambers Can you tell me a little bit more about the phenomenon of followers-only posts being used for abuse?
Is it similar to how Discord is used for pile-ons? Or is it something else entirely?
Jenniferplusplus
in reply to Chris Trottier • • •1. The target posts anything at all
2. The harasser replies with followers-only visibility. The reply is visible to the OP, and the crowd of other abusers that follow the first abuser, but no one else. Not even the mods on OP's server
3. The crowd of other abusers pile on, invisible
4. Everyone else gas lights OP about it, saying they've never seen this abuse and so it must be made up, and/or OP's fault.
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in reply to Jenniferplusplus • • •Jenniferplusplus
in reply to Chris Trottier • • •Yeah. The most pernicious harassment is coordinated off-platform. But it's still not great that mastodon (and many other backends) created this channel to be jerks in secret.
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in reply to Jenniferplusplus • • •@jenniferplusplus Yep, three years ago, I put in a feature request on Mastodon for comment controls. It’s pretty common sense to have since, yeah, it would cut down on abuse drastically. Haven’t heard anything back from Mastodon, but I certainly got a lot of angry people who demand that this never be implemented.
At the very least, you should be able to opt out of receiving comments. Still not here, but at least Mastodon allows you to opt out of quote posts. Now if only they would allow this for comments.
Security Writer
in reply to Jenniferplusplus • • •@jenniferplusplus @UlrikeHahn @tchambers I call it abuse multi-threading.
You can be abused in broad daylight without a soul seeing it, from multiple sources.
Doesn’t get reported properly as nobody sees it but you. Doesn’t trigger any thresholds.
Massively open to widespread abuse and really skews people’s optics of the situation.
A lot like racism, sexism, transphobia, homophobia etc. online generally (“I don’t see it, so it doesn’t happen), but it’s built right into the Mastodon functionally to further enable it.
I see its intended functionality, but I don’t think you should be able to reply with followers only.
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