Do you trust reuters as a news source?
Reuters is a news agency headquartered in London, but they report on news around the globe. Often other news just recite Reuters news instead of traveling the world themself. How trustworthy and unbiased you think they are?
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Mark
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in reply to Mark • • •So you trust them very much? So you think the controversey section on wikipedia is fake?
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in reply to TwentySeven • • •AMoralNihilist
in reply to scratsearcher ๐๐ฎ๐๐ฒ • • •Since they generally report in a shorter format, they tend to not provide much context.
On the one hand, one could say this tends towards less bias, but on the other, context is absolutely critical to assessing a situation.
I think they have their place in the news cycle, and they are a useful source. I think that if they report an event you can be confident it has occurred, BUT they are very, very good at putting spin in only a few words, e.g. "murdered" vs "killed". They also leave out extremely important context when it doesn't fit their narrative/bias/click farming.
I am extremely critical of Reuters. But if they are one source amongst many they are useful. Particularly if you look at local news sources or other Reuters news snippets for context around the event.
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AMoralNihilist
in reply to wuphysics87 • • •Sometimes yes, sometimes it is correct to use murder.
But I was just using it as well known an example of how even a short sentence can have implicit bias while appearing to be simply factual. Not referring to anything specific.
Sometimes using killed is the most factual, sometimes it isn't. Saying someone died is often factual as well. It's really dependent on context what word to choose and they can create a very different narrative.
It also can simply be passive versus active voice in sentence structure.
There was an interesting case where Reuters headline was about police in South Africa killed protesting miners. They had a headline video that showed the police opening fire and an officer getting them to stop shooting. And a second "uncut" video on their RSS feed that wasn't published in any headline that showed the miners were actually a giant mob carrying machetes, sticks, clubs and a few had guns which were fired into the air. The mob started charging the police line and when they opened fire the mob scattered. There was no mention of the police offi
... Show more...Sometimes yes, sometimes it is correct to use murder.
But I was just using it as well known an example of how even a short sentence can have implicit bias while appearing to be simply factual. Not referring to anything specific.
Sometimes using killed is the most factual, sometimes it isn't. Saying someone died is often factual as well. It's really dependent on context what word to choose and they can create a very different narrative.
It also can simply be passive versus active voice in sentence structure.
There was an interesting case where Reuters headline was about police in South Africa killed protesting miners. They had a headline video that showed the police opening fire and an officer getting them to stop shooting. And a second "uncut" video on their RSS feed that wasn't published in any headline that showed the miners were actually a giant mob carrying machetes, sticks, clubs and a few had guns which were fired into the air. The mob started charging the police line and when they opened fire the mob scattered. There was no mention of the police officer that had been beaten to death in the same area the night before by the protesters.
Both were completely factual reports, but they lacked context, and were subsequently widely used to demonise the police.
(Now, don't get me wrong, cops are usually at fault, and the wider situation of why did those miners need to protest etc is a different topic. But in that specific instance there was a lot of context missing to the individual actions)
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in reply to scratsearcher ๐๐ฎ๐๐ฒ • • •IMO theyโre less bad than a lot of American outlets, but theyโre by no means perfect. I use them as one input of many.
Put another way: there is no single source of news that I would ever trust 100%. Observing the patterns and trying to get a handle on the bias that any particular event is being spun with is frankly far more useful if you want to actually understand the nuance and context of current events.
Of course, if youโre just looking for that dopamine hit of intense emotion/scary things/daily hour of hate, enjoy MSNBC or Fox or whatever (I straight up do not trust pretty much any TV-focused news org - pretty much all of them seem to have devolved into overt propaganda operations, some of which are more obvious than others).
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in reply to scratsearcher ๐๐ฎ๐๐ฒ • • •No.
They are a British government and intelligence cut-out. That doesn't mean they always lie but they skew coverage, are manipulative, dishonest, and serve the interests of the British state. They've been that way for decades, receiving funding in the 1960s and 1970s from MI6.
thegrayzone.com/2021/02/20/reu…
... Show more...In the modern era they still target Russia under the direction and funding of the UK government. One cannot be
No.
They are a British government and intelligence cut-out. That doesn't mean they always lie but they skew coverage, are manipulative, dishonest, and serve the interests of the British state. They've been that way for decades, receiving funding in the 1960s and 1970s from MI6.
thegrayzone.com/2021/02/20/reuโฆ
In the modern era they still target Russia under the direction and funding of the UK government. One cannot be in bed with spies like these and hope to hold them and their friends like the US, EU, etc to account.
The fourth estate in general in the west is highly compromised. Russia and China and many others openly fund state media and the west decries it as propaganda, but they never hide it. Whereas the west secretly funds, manipulates, and controls supposedly independent press and declares itself the free one while it lies to the rest of the world and their own populations.
As a wire agency Reuters does tend to have less room for deception than say Fox News due to a lot of short form news breaks. So in that regard they're more trustworthy than say CNN or Fox News but that doesn't mean a lot.
UK government secretly funded Reuters in 1960s, 1970s
Joe Concha (The Hill)LaLuzDelSol
in reply to Majestic • • •Majestic
in reply to LaLuzDelSol • • •Read the linked source FFS.
Me: Provides evidence that in decades past last century they were paid for and did dirty work of British intelligence, at no point were the people responsible cast out, at no point was this influence purged and processes and organs put in place to prevent this
Me: Also provides evidence they are in the bag as of the twenty-teens they were doing propaganda work for the British against Russia in coordination with the British state through cutouts
You: um acktually do you have any proof they're still doing that this month? No? Checkmate.
Yeah it's called a pattern of behavior. Why would they change? What would cause this? Sudden secret come to Jesus moment that fits your idealistic wants and needs in this particular argument? The burden of proof is on YOU and on THEM to show a sustained pattern of change. More than to show that but to admit, call out, and have a reckoning about their past behavior, bring it to the front, make everyone aware of it, apologize, and explain how they're changing and what they're specifically doing to pro
... Show more...Read the linked source FFS.
Me: Provides evidence that in decades past last century they were paid for and did dirty work of British intelligence, at no point were the people responsible cast out, at no point was this influence purged and processes and organs put in place to prevent this
Me: Also provides evidence they are in the bag as of the twenty-teens they were doing propaganda work for the British against Russia in coordination with the British state through cutouts
You: um acktually do you have any proof they're still doing that this month? No? Checkmate.
Yeah it's called a pattern of behavior. Why would they change? What would cause this? Sudden secret come to Jesus moment that fits your idealistic wants and needs in this particular argument? The burden of proof is on YOU and on THEM to show a sustained pattern of change. More than to show that but to admit, call out, and have a reckoning about their past behavior, bring it to the front, make everyone aware of it, apologize, and explain how they're changing and what they're specifically doing to prove this isn't happening.
Partnering with Tass in what way? As wire agencies? Carrying some of their stories? That's proof of nothing. You think because some org that's deep in with the intelligence apparatus of one state has some casual or professional cover level contact with a state media organ of a rival state that is proof of what? Impartiality? That they're actually Russian spies using British intelligence?
What I linked claims they agreed to use journalistic contacts within Russia to influence Russians and others within the CIS sphere for the interests and goals of the UK. If I was doing that I'd want contacts like that including contracts to carry out that work and legitimize my stories to my targets. I'd want to pretend to be friendly, professional and open while carrying out this work.
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in reply to scratsearcher ๐๐ฎ๐๐ฒ • • •Yes.
I also come from a very international background. It makes me trust what they write more, not less.
LaLuzDelSol
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in reply to scratsearcher ๐๐ฎ๐๐ฒ • • •It's worth reading, because it's very factual, as in, they don't inject any particular viewpoint or opinion into the writing, unlike some other outlets. Whether or not they chose to report on certain events over others due to bias, I do not know.
I remember them being wrong one time point though, because they reported on something chaotic that had just happened or was still happening where details were unclear.
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