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Are distros really different or is it more about preference?


in reply to Jack_Burton

I’ve said it here before and I’ll continue to say it. All the Linux nerds (myself included) have strong opinions when it comes to distros or x vs Wayland, or flatpak vs repositories, blah blah blah.

But in the end - none of it matters. You could randomly eliminate all options except for one distro - and we’d happily pick that over windows. The trick is that you could make any distro like any other - it’s just that the distro did all the work for you. So pick the one that matches how you want to use your pc.

Maybe the only thing that’s not changeable is the philosophy behind the distro. Debian - older stuff for stability. Arch - bleeding edge rolling release. Fedora somewhere in the middle. You get the idea.

in reply to Kongar

For me it mattered. The majority of distros I tested have had audio or graphical issues (or both). Only bazzite and cachyos have worked straight out of the box.
in reply to Kongar

"Debian - older stuff for stability. Arch - bleeding edge rolling release. Fedora somewhere in the middle." Very true. I would add that then there are a bunch of others that fill the gaps in between. For instance, Ubuntu makes Debian easier and Mint makes Ubuntu more open and TuxedoOS makes Debian/Ubuntu far more up-to-date. Then, CachyOS makes Arch more easy and gamable while Manjaro tries to make Arch more stable. Fedora is a perfect blend but those those that have a beef against Redhat/IBM (USA), OpenSUSE is a perfect blend too of the philosophies of Debian and Arch.
in reply to edel

Arch is also just becoming the standard gaming option.

A lot of gaming communities that are migrating over are flowing to the aur for their community tools.

in reply to Kongar

I think Fedora KDE is very refined but I stick to Ubuntu bases as there are some little known programs that I use that only have .deb packages unfortunately
in reply to Jack_Burton

Some are very different to each other, Arch and Debian where the former is at the bleeding edge of software and the later is the most conservative distro out there. Some are very similar, Ubuntu and Kubuntu where they are the same distro with a different desktop environment and default software.
in reply to Jack_Burton

Distros within the same "family" (e.g. Debian, Ubuntu, Mint) are mostly the same with only small differences between them, while the different families have wildly different approaches to various things.

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in reply to Jack_Burton

It has been my experience that there is no “best distro“. It’s just a matter of which distro is best for you. there are distros geared for beginners, distros geared for media professionals, distros aimed at software developers,… And it all takes the experience of trying it out to see what works best for you in particular.

While all distro’s have the same underlying components, so to speak, different distro’s, aren’t typically developed with different use cases in mind.

in reply to Jack_Burton

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in reply to just_another_person

One correction to this:

The Arch package manager is Pacman, not AUR. AUR is the Arch User Repository and is definitely not stable 😀

in reply to NewNewAugustEast

Not at all. It was fine for new users. It was the mostly popular distribution for years for a reason.
in reply to just_another_person

Because people recommended it.

There were better options. It crashed or broke all the time. Still does.

It would never be a recommendation for new users from me. I tried every version since 4, so I am not new to its shittyness.

in reply to NewNewAugustEast

Ran thousands of servers on it for years without a hiccup. No idea what you were doing wrong there, but that's not my experience.
in reply to just_another_person

I suppose I should have clarified: Ubuntu desktop. I don't really have a problem with Ubuntu server, although why bother when you can just use Debian. Did you choose it for the newer packages?
in reply to NewNewAugustEast

Ubuntu has specific toolchain stacks that make imaging and packaging easier when you're running continuously deployed stacks that change frequently.
in reply to just_another_person

in reply to just_another_person

You mean opaque.

And you will definitely find out about libraries if you attempt to install anything.

Some packages will install in your home directory, others, for no apparent reason will spread themselves around the system in the area only available in administration mode. Good luck finding where it all went. The only way I can find is to look at the path in Synaptic, most package managers won't record it.

in reply to Jack_Burton

The main difference has traditionally been the package manager and update schedule, though a distro might offer several options for the second one.

Relatively recently we got another differentiating feature with immutable distros, where updates don't happen with a package manager but often by downloading or building a complete new image with the newer versions.

Other than that distros mainly set the defaults for you, but you can always change that to work or look like another distro with enough effort.

Basically, don't worry about it and use what works for you

in reply to Jack_Burton

Grass is greener...Linux is a kernel with tools attached that distributions play with and present as they would as a distribution. Packaging (program management) is different throughout with all the distros loving their 'tool', or, methodology. Some distros present helpful scripts to get a thing done, or, look a way, or, whatever, and some do not.

Windows tells you, here, you can use this or do this and cannot do this or use that. Linux tells you to simply have at it and makes it all available for you to use or not to use. Windows sits you at the kiddie table whereas Linux gives you materials and tools.

in reply to Jack_Burton

in reply to Jack_Burton

In terms of how you interact with it day to day, no. And that's because the Distro in that sense matters less than the desktop environment. Since DEs are fundamentally distro agnostic, most distros give a person the option for multiple choices in that regard, so it doesn't really matter if you're using Ubuntu, Arch, Fedora, etc.... what matters from a usage perspective is if you're using KDE, or Gnome, or XFCE, etc...

Under the hood there's a lot of differences in how each one chooses to do things, but I wouldn't call one of them better or worse than any other and for the most part can be ignored.

My advice would be narrow it down to one choice; and that's your package manager. That's really where most of the difference lies. Find the one that you find easiest to use (Apt, Pacman/Pamac, DNF, Zypper) and that's where you land until you're comfortable.

in reply to Jack_Burton

Noob opinion: they're all the same, you're just choosing from the minor differences in the quirks one has over another and it would be easy enough to work around those if you were motivated to.

The real difference is the DE, how quickly updates are pushed, good GUI on a package manager and if it is immutable or not.

For noobs like me it also helps if it has a lot of users so I can find forum posts about my specific problem. Vetrans keep saying that online documentation is enough, but I wouldn't even know where to start with applying generic instructions to my installation (e.g. how is a wiki going to be able to tell me that my low framerates in Street Fighter 6 are because of split lock protections on my CPU). How would I diagnose the problem to know where to look? This is the major appeal of Debian based systems.

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in reply to Jack_Burton

in reply to Jack_Burton

Ubuntu is broken, or will be broken. It has been that way since the beginning.
in reply to Jack_Burton

Sure, but it is just Debian with their crap bolted on.

The last two times I installed Ubuntu somewhat recently, it was broken at the install. I fixed it, but it shouldn't be that way. The hardware was nothing exotic or interesting either.

It has always been troublesome.

in reply to Jack_Burton

If you haven't noticed yet, the Linux community gets pretty divisive about distros. For what it's worth, my friend swears by Ubuntu. Personally, I use Linux Mint, which is based on Ubuntu, and my issues are pretty infrequent or troublesome.
in reply to Jack_Burton

Ultimately my choice of distro came down to what packages are available under the package managers.

I found a couple of packages only under the AUR so I go Arch.

But what I want from Linux, and what makes it Linux to me is the DE. So I could use Fedora Gnome or EndeavourOS gnome and just go with whichever is best for my use case.

in reply to Jack_Burton

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in reply to Jack_Burton

The main differences are:

  • package management (how you install new programs)
  • release model (fixed vs rolling)
  • default desktop environments (the GUI / look and feel)
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in reply to chromodynamic

Yup. Until you get into stuff like immutable distros, because that's a whole different animal.
in reply to chromodynamic

Workflows are different, configuration files can be different, and package names (not just management) can be different.

Additionally, release cadence (how fast you get new stuff, even when considering fixed releases), stability, performance (how were the packages compiled), and custom patches that aren't part of the original code (*shakes fist angrily at Manjaro*)

in reply to Semperverus

If you don't like Manjaro for that then your going to hate steamOS. Lol
in reply to chromodynamic

Agreed.

Though if you get off the beaten path, you get things like system supervisor, system compiler, C library, and core utils.

But most Linux distros are systemd, GCC, Glibc, and GNU utils. Which brings us back to your list.