You can include a link to the offending toot to accomplish the same

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2023-10-30 14:10:29

In hindsight, I think the most powerful thing about quote tweets was that you could highlight behaviors and stances that were unacceptable, and at-scale that created a sense of culture.

There are quite a few posts aggressively missing my point I'd love to quote-boost, but since I can't do that here, I can only tackle things one at a time as replies. And then the cross-instance nature means many won't see that!

So that's fun.

is it a party where one overhears something and interjects, or a dinner party where all are around the same table?

Should there be a hierarchy in social media?

Technically, you can just add a link to the post being "quoted". It is not the same as quoting and has drawbacks:

The quoted one will not get the notification. BUT you can always just mention them.

The (content of the) quoted post will not be seen right away. BUT you can look at it as at a sort of a "See more" clicky-thing from other social networks.

So yea, not ideal, not comfortable, but there are ways (sort of).

I’ll be honest, I need to hear this sometimes. I try not to be a reply bro but I’ve definitely been guilty of it, and invite being informed when I’m doing it, especially in a harmful way. I’m probably neurodivergent (I have no diagnosis indicating this) because I often don’t realize when I’m causing that kind of harm.

I know this is not the norm. Many would prefer to be right than not be an asshole.

I'm sorry people responded like that! I think your thoughts on YT are really reasonable.

You've articulated something I've felt before well. Many conversations on social media I've seen have not felt very conversational - like people are talking at each other rather than with each other - in ways that would be unpleasant in person.

I sometimes think about how social media has existed for only ~30 years. Only 30! That's nothing on evolutionary time scales!

quote posting is ruder than a simple reply.

Quote posting is like grabbing everyone’s attention at the party to chastise them publicly.

A simple reply is like pulling them aside privately to discuss things in a calm and polite manner.

@Pxtl honestly, I disagree with this. Yes, they were used to bully. But you know what they also were used for? Demonstrating acceptable behavior.

If nobody on this platform can be chastised except by the person who is personally being bothered, especially when not everybody is even going to see that, then everybody will behave however they want.

I have encountered so many more blatantly rude people here than I ever did on Twitter.

@amberage in my eyes those technicalities/limitations are the problem.

We are humans and we need signals to be reminded that we are doing unacceptable things. We never truly grow out of being children.

So if that signal doesn't make it to the person it needs to make it to, it's just noise.

@schwa in a way, because I have enough followers and people broadly know I'm a YouTuber, so if an opinion of mine gets boosted outside of my follower set, and that opinion happens to disagree with any aspect of FOSS, I'm at the receiving end of a pile-on!

Which is even more fun because due to the fractured nature of Mastodon, you might not see how big of a pile-on it is!

It's so fucking fun!

that sucks.

But I don’t think a solution is giving popular accounts the ability to trigger pile ons in return.

It was a big part of what made Twitter so toxic. (“Hey everyone look at this dumbass”)

You can always limit the audience of your posts here if you feel they may trigger a self pile on. Or go back and edit/delete them after the fact.

Highlighting dumbass responses just drags everyone down.

@schwa separate the want to trigger a pylon from the want for some sort of mechanism to signal when behaviors are not normal or acceptable.

I do not think it is reasonable to tell people "just reply to those folks and tell them how you feel!"

yeah except we can’t separate. It’s none or both.

Personally I block the fuckwits when something I say goes viral and I don’t want to deal with the idiots.

🤷‍♂️

Lots of people (me included) absolutely enjoy your content. Hopefully ignoring the people who love to be offended isn’t too much of a burden. L

@schwa I know precisely that it's none or both. But what I'm arguing is that quote tweets were very useful despite being a mechanism which can be abused.

Now, I am not a marginalized person by any means and that likely colors my perspective.

But I can say with sincerity that my particular experience here on Mastodon has been more annoying than Twitter ever was, and quite frankly this saddens me. I would like to advocate for this idea, but its biggest advocates are... tiring.

Sounds to me like the problem is the culture here rather than tooling. I don’t think any of can significantly change the culture here. And it seems like the flood of folks from twitter has slowed.

Maybe best to just tick that "followers-only" checkbox when posting something you think the rest of the culture here will be offended over. That’s still 30K users for you…

Anyways not providing anything info you don't already know so bowing out 😀